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Hello Everyone, This is the continuation of a thread started in the Hercus Area where I had mentioned that I was trying to devise a fine feed mechanism and clutch for the vertical feed on my Hercus mill. Phillip (Metalman) said that he had a Schaublin mill, which utilizes spring loaded dog clutches on the table feed handwheels, and so as to not bore the Hercus owners, we will further our discussion here. Hello Phillip, I was thinking that the VFD could be set at it's maximum output and left and I would use the mill's variable speed control. Another option to the VFD is a second hand ASEA 2hp single phase motor that the seller wants $250 for.
It has a couple of capacitors the size of coke cans attached, which would need to be repositioned but I think that it would fit in the space vacated by the Oerlikon motor. I need to check the shaft and keyway sizes on the Oerlikon first.
Schaublin 13 Service. I don't have a 12 but I do own a 1962 13. The Schaublin Service and Operating Instructions for. As per the service manual. Schaublin manual. New to me - Schaublin 13; Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last. The service manual is probably better than the schematic. Details. If you want, you can download it from there?
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There is about 12mm difference in the centre heights of the two motors. Swapping the motors might necessitate the making of a new drive pulley. Work beckons so I will post again tonight. Hello Bryan, The attached photos may help to describe how the things work.
The lens focuses on an illuminated portion of the graduated distance scale. The resultant image is projected onto the screen.
The two parallel lines are etched onto a transparent slide that moves laterally across the screen when the large external bezel is rotated. The bezel is graduated in.001' with a.0001' vernier. The photos show a roughly focused, projected line on the screen. If the projected line is centred between the two etched lines and then the bezel is rotated,say.040' the etched lines move away from the projected line. Traversing the table by means of the handwheel until the 3 lines are realigned results in the table moving.040'.
Focusing the lens is by means of a pair of eccentric mounts that are difficult to adjust. Increasing the wattage of the light bulb may improve the image on the screen. Thankfully, they are a standard E10 threaded bulb that fits in a torch. Not the most lucid explanation so hopefully the photos will provide some clarity.
Hello Bob, You have made my day, I have 3 of those brochures, 2 from 1950 as per the ebay sale and one from 1961. I have scanned the 1961 one, 29 pages including the cover, and sent you a PM so that we can organize a transfer. Thanks for the offer of the instruction book but I have the one that came with my machine, I am only the second owner so not too much has gone astray. My machine is number 206, which raises the question, is it the 206th since production started or 206th produced in 1955? Could you look on the first page of your 1953 book and let me know the number there? Regarding your motor issues, I have found occasionally that the machine's lowest speed is sometimes a little too fast, if you could organize a VFD to give a reduced bottom speed without motor cooling issues it would be an advantage. The optical measuring devices look like an interesting piece of kit, they are described in the brochure along with a large number of other desirable goodies.
You said your machine is metric, does it have metric dials etc.? I sold a near new, metric Arboga style vertical mill to finance the purchase of the 13 which is unfortunately set up with imperial dials etc. I miss the clearance under the head of the vertical mill but in most other respects the 13 suits my purposes better. Regards, Phillp. Hello Phillip and those who may be interested, Amongst the box of 'junk' that I had to take if I purchased the machine was this attachment. I initially thought it was a collet closer but it is a sensitive drilling attachment that fits the standard vertical head. It is more complex than the drilling attachment shown in the Schaublin 13 catalogue.
The fitting I have is missing a return spring and I am uncertain as to if it's just a simple compression spring installed on the quill under the lever or something more sophisticated. The spindle nose accepts E20 collets. I have read elsewhere, that an E20 nut can be replaced with an ER20 version enabling the use of the newer collets. I have a set of imperial collets for this attachment but no E32 collets for the ISO30 collet chuck fitted to the head. I am hoping that a similar nut substitution will work. I will post more photos later. Hello Phillip and Others.
The right hand handwheel impacted against something more solid prior to my purchase resulting in a bent forked shaft, two destroyed ball bearings, a damaged bush, broken handle and the graduated drum locking mechanism, snapped in half. The forked shaft connects the handwheel to the end of the table traverse screw and facilitates the quick removal of the entire handwheel assembly. The removal of the assembly allows for the installation of the automatic drive gear train required when the universal dividing head is mounted for a quick bit of spiral milling. I machined a new forked shaft from a piece of 1045 bar. One end of the bar is threaded internally and externally. The internal thread, M8 x 1.25, was hand tapped.
The outside thread, 14 x 1.0, I cut using the never previously fitted, metric transposing gears on my Hercus lathe. I bought a new pair of FAG bearings from an Ebay seller in England. The replacement bush was turned from a piece of phosphor bronze bar. The bush enables the handwheel to both spin freely when the table power feed is used and to slide, allowing the engagement of the dog clutch when hand feeding. I still have to repair the handle and locking mechanism (not shown in the photos). Should keep me busy for a while and further prevent me from painting the house.
The photos below show the sequence of assembly and the bent shaft and handle. Hello Greg, What was standard when someone purchased a Deckel back in the forties? I have a downloaded FP-1 catalogue, unfortunately in German, that looks to date from that period. The array of accessories is vast.
Was the vertical head fitted as standard? The 13 came with a fixed angular table and the horizontal spindle headstock, with a couple of arbors and an arbor support as standard according to Phillip's 1961 catalogue. Everything else was deemed an accessory. Have you ever had a look at Franz Singer's German Ebay store? It features mainly Deckel machines and accessories.He has a lot of little bits and pieces that seem reasonably priced.
The more substantial accessories are a different story. At least you can get them. Schaublin mill accessories don't seem to exist. If you do unveil the FP-1 at some stage, and you are armed with a camera, I 'd love to see some photos. I'm pretty sure that Deckel sold the machines bare. Or at least Demco did. I think that's why you see machines with either a fixed or universal table but rarely both.
I bought this machine on ebay under the impression it was a 1966 build. After driving all the way to Kiama to collect it (hadn't had a good old fashioned road trip in a long time) I was initially disappointed to discover its true vintage.
After some wheeling and dealing we loaded it up. The clincher was the condition and the pallet load of extras.
It came with the horizontal, vertical head, slotting head, indexing dividing head with tailstock support, Wohlhaupter boring/facing head, collets (both Deckel and Clarkson). Horizontal arbor, some tools and manuals. Universal table.
I just bought some items from Singer a couple of days ago. I am still looking for the high speed head if I can find one reasonably, and a rotary table. Here's the machine as it is currently. I'm trying to ignore it but spend at least an hour a day cleaning and thinking about the refurbishment plan. Hello Greg, Prior to obtaining the 13, the FP-1 was the machine that I hoped to acquire. There was always plently of information about them available on the net and if you were cashed up, you could buy one from the States or Europe. Have a search for a 13 on line and you wont find much.
I've only seen two Deckels in the flesh, an FP-2 and a FP-4 NC. Both were impressive. The closest I had been to a Schaublin mill was the illustration in an old McPhersons catalog. How do you reckon I felt when I stumbled across a pair of 13s in a showroom over here and then found out that they weren't for sale.
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After fourteen months and a number of visits to the showroom, I hauled the best one home with a box of 'junk' consisting of the high speed head, the simple dividing head, tailstock and support, the neat drilling attachment, what looks like an unused arbor and arbor end support, a nice 4' Burnerd 3 jaw chuck for the dividing head and various smaller odds and ends. The 13 is a beautiful piece of machinery but in my mind, no more or less than the Deckel FP-1.
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